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Cue Outrage In 3, 2, 1…

I’m short on time, so let’s make this quick.

I came across a post this morning whose author apparently expected atheists to be outraged or indignant at what he had to say. Being an accomodating guy, I decided to be both! Not because of anything particularly offensive or startling in the post, mind you, but because he decided to post this idiotic image:

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For the love of God, Jesus, Allah, Buddha, the Pope, Ardi, whoever, could everybody please stop using this image? Even jokingly? Its stupidity actually hurts me. I mean, ‘bits which then turned into dinosaurs’? Argh. Argh.

Oh, I guess the rest of the post was kind of annoying too. It manages to combine the ‘atheists have no way to be moral and consistent at the same time’ canard with the ‘they know God exists, they just suppress it THE BIBLE SAYS SO GUES’ pile of crap – two horrible tastes that taste horrible together.

The author cites “crimes’ committed by the Nazis during WWII as “atrocities.”  What, in the atheist’s world, makes these acts “atrocious?”  To the Nazis – in their worldview, a decidedly non-theistic one, to be sure – their actions were nothing more than consistent with their inward motivations and desires.  How can one atheist tell another atheist that what he or she does is “wrong” or “criminal” or “atrocious?”  What makes pedophilia or pederasty or any particular sexual act “deviant” or “criminal” in an atheistic world?  Murder?  Theft?  We could go on ad infinitum.  Has every society always deemed these actions “criminal?”  No.  We can look at Rome and Greece in the past for how they thought of these sexual acts and numerous societies that have seen nothing wrong with murder and so on.

(I like the Wikipedia links to the definitions of ‘pedophilia’ and ‘pederasty’. Thanks, I needed a definition or else I would have been confused.)

The mention of ancient Greece and Rome is interesting (assuming he’s actually talking about the ancient versions and not the modern country/city, in which case it would just confusing). Read almost any ancient Roman or Greek philosopher, and you’ll find some mention of morality. ‘X is wrong’, they’ll say, and then they’ll go on to give some sort of reason for why X is wrong or Y is right. Those reasons are often not ‘because God says so’, which makes sense given the nature of religious belief at the time.

Where exactly did their morality come from, I wonder? Did God inscribe a moral code upon the hearts of everybody who’s ever lived without telling them about it for hundreds of thousands of years? Because I’ve gotta say, if that’s the case he took his damn time. It’s also funny that many, many civilizations managed to exist and flourish without needing the ol’ Good Book around to tell them what’s right and what’s wrong.

To sum up: history shows that morality, moral codes and stable societies built on said codes are all possible without the Bible being present. So…where do we see any evidence that the Bible is uniquely suited to impart moral wisdom? (And before anybody says ‘But those old societies are all immoral!’, take a look at any Christian kingdom, empire or nation prior to, oh, 1900.)

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  1. 1minionsopinion
    October 7, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Yeah, this is a hard stereotype to crack. I don’t know what we’d have to do to fully assure these loons that atheists are not baby killing monstrosities that would burn their churches down if the mood arose. If just living the same sensible decent lives they claim to do isn’t good enough, I don’t know what the answer is.

    • October 7, 2009 at 5:53 pm

      The problem is, they don’t care how little difference there is between the moral actions or attitudes of atheists and the moral actions or attitudes of theists. They will insist that we have no rational basis for morality regardless of how we act or how thoroughly we lay out our moral reasoning – in other words, they don’t say ‘You’re a psychotic mass-murderer’, but rather ‘You have no rational reason not to be a psychotic mass murderer’, or ‘You have no rational basis on which to criticize a psychotic mass murderer’.

      Of course, the argument is still complete crap, but it’s trickier to refute. Their mistake (well, one of them) is assuming that morality can be boiled down to ‘Theistic and absolute or not and not’. Actual moral philosophers would probably have something to say about that…

  2. muqeem
    October 8, 2009 at 4:09 am

    Muslims Believe In JESUS
    (Peace be upon him)

    To know more please visit : http://islam100.wordpress.com

    We are presenting this not to placate you out of policy or diplomacy. We are only articulating what our Creator had commanded us in the Noble Qur’an (Which is translated as follows);

    “Say (O Muslim), “We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Abraham (Abraham), Isma’il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya’qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya’cub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and ‘Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)”. [Chapter 2: verse 136]

    As Muslims we have no choice. We had said in many words:

    ” WE BELIEVE IN ONE CREATOR, WE BELIEVE IN ALL HIS PROPHETS, WE BELIEVE, THAT JESUS (peace be upon him) WAS ONE OF THE MIGHTIEST PROPHETS OF GOD, THAT HE WAS THE MESSIAH AS WELL AS THE WORD OF GOD, THAT HE WAS BORN MIRACULOUSLY- WITHOUT ANY MALE INTERVENTION (which many modern-day Christians do not believe today) , THAT HE GAVE LIFE TO THE DEAD BY GOD’S PERMISSION, AND THAT HE HEALED THOSE BORN BLIND AND THE LEPERS BY GOD’S PERMISSION.”

    Islam respects all religions. Nevertheless, Muslims consider the view of Christendom to be a misguided one. The Noble Qur’an highlights the important aspects of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) mother, his birth, his mission and his ascension to heaven.
    VIRGIN MARY:
    Story of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) in the Noble Qur’an starts with the conception of his mother, Mary, when the wife of Imran, Mary’s mother, vowed to dedicate her child to the service of God in the temple. This is mentioned in the following verses (Which is translated as follows);

    “(Remember) when the wife of ‘Imran said: “O my Lord! I have vowed to You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your services (free from all worldly work; to serve Your place of worship), so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing” “Then when she delivered her child [Maryam (Mary)], she said: “O my Lord! I have delivered a female child,” — and Allah knew better what she delivered, — “And the male is not like the female, and I have named her Maryam (Mary), and I seek refuge with You (Allah) for her and for her offspring from Shaitan (Satan), the outcast.” “So her Lord (Allah) accepted her with goodly acceptance, He made her grow in a good manner and put her under the care of Zakariya (Zachariya). Every time he entered Al-Mihrab (a praying place or private room) to (visit) her, he found her supplied with sustenance. He said: “O Maryam (Mary)! from where have you got this?” She said “This is from Allah” Verily, Allah provides sustenance to whom He wills, without limit” [Chapter 3: verses 35-37]

  3. armchairantichrist
    October 10, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    I don’t understand how these people can still use the moral argument for God. It’s like they are so behind in everything. And the irony in it is that they think they’re ahead.

  4. muqeem
    November 10, 2009 at 8:33 am

    Dear All

    Please refer to my earlier comments

    I invite all my brothers and sisters in this blog to a call:

    Every body should pray for seven days just before sleeping

    ” Please my Creator show me the right path and show me your guidance, I love you my Creator”

    The Creator will show the guidance by His Will

    Muqeem

    http://islam100.wordpress.com/

    • Walter S
      January 9, 2010 at 10:06 pm

      Islam is crap. Blow yourself.

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